ALDARION AND ERENDIS. The Mariner’s Wife. |. Meneldur was the son of Tar- Elendil, the fourth King of Númenor. He was the King’s third child, for he had two . Aldarion’s mother, impressed by the beauty of Erendis – “dark-haired and of slender grace, with the clear grey eyes of her kin” takes her to the. From UT “Aldarion and Erendis”: “All or nothing, Erendis,” said Núneth.(Erendis’s mother) “So you were as a child. But you love this man, and.
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Discussion in ‘ Guild of Tolkienology ‘ started by LhunithilielMar 29, Log in or Sign up. Debate – Aldarion-Erendis – Who’s to blame? Jul 26, Messages: From UT “Aldarion and Erendis”: LhunithilielMar 29, Jan 10, Messages: Aldarion also known as Aldarin was known to be.
BelegApr 3, Aldarion is one of the closest heirs of Earendil – himself being a great mariner, and hence — of Elros — the first King of Numenor. Tar-Aldarion becomes later the V-th king of Numenor. He therefore was born and grew up in times when the Numenoreans were still brought up in the ancient traditions of their proud race and with the lore and in close friendship of the Eldar.
And those were also times when the Numenorean people was still at the dawn of the development of their civilization. They were eager to explore, they were thirsty for knowledge and they felt strong enough to undertake bold endeavours. They were guarded by the Gods, taught by the Eldar and they lived with the sense of a well deserved pride for the exceptional deeds of their ancestors.
LhunithilielApr 12, Have Aldarion always close to her sldarion
The Mariner’s Wife: Erendis
Make him accept the life of the farmers of her native region! Make a quiet and domestic aodarion out erenddis a wild and longing for adventures soul of a man…! What a complete MISunderstanding of loving a man! Especially a man like Aldarion! This is in fact a pure example of a feeling that could be perhaps called love but in fact strongly mistaken with egoism! It is Erendis who had never understood what true love is!
Because snd love someone is to give him freedom and never put his soul in the bonds of jealousy and never make him choose between his own will and feelings.
On the other hand, Aldarion made various attempts to please her egoistic love and desires. He tried to be it her way. He tried to understand her and he also tried to show to her the grandeur and the beauty of his bold endeavours.
He respected her as a true Queen — a Queen of Numenor and the Queen of his heart. Several times he quit sea-faring for her! Several times he undertook projects and deeds such as to please her likings and preferences. But what is more important, he never showed false feelings!
He admired her beauty and her grace, her tenderness at least while she still had one for him! And he always admitted his love for the sea to be the love of his life! But it was never enough for Erendis! Erendis wanted all or nothing! The great tragedy thus came precisely from the fact that Erendis was fully and unfortunately wrong about HER OWN feelings — confusing love for egoism and never been able to understand the difference.
This is also strongly traced later in her attitude towards her own daughter as well! Erendis loved a dream — the dream of Aldarion! Unfortunately, she never succeeded in getting to love the real Aldarion – the proud heir of the House of Elros, the man of great vision, the bold and freedom-loving soul… Instead, she tried to change him.
Aldarion himself understood it eredis BelegApr 13, They are betrothed on Meneltarma. Aldarion wins her heart with sweet words Three years pass, according to the laws of Eldar they should marry now. They are wedded and Erendis conceives after two years, gracing the world with the presence of a baby daughter.
Now she was jealous of the sea, but she hid it and talked about it to him lest fearing that erejdis might get dismayed with her because she wanted to keep him away from his obsession. In fact, she behaved like a perfect wife, sharing her troubles with him and often helping her husband.
The coming post is set in 8 points, which makes it long, given in several bits and I apologize for making you read so much! However, here it comes: Yet, the approach from both parts is different. What Aldarion looked for was the warmth and the tender love of a woman. Yet he was honest to himself and to his intentions towards Erendis both, in his mind and therefore in his deeds. LhunithilielApr 14, In those times, history tells that women were destined to occupy with mainly domestic matters, while men had a much more active life and much more erendsi and importance in the society.
On the other hand, analyzing the invented world of the Numenorean kingdom, we doubtlessly find the strong trace of the traditions in these matters as inherited and taught to Men by the Eldar. As disciples of the Eldar, the Numenoreans as a new-found brand of the race of Men, followed steadily lots of the elvish traditions and ways concerning the structure of he society erenvis the position in it of females and males.
From the Laws and Customs of the Eldar: Erendis — the wife only partial analyses! You say Erendis behaved like a perfect wife and yes, in those times, when Aldarion had settled down away from his sea-related matters, when he had given up his ambitions for the love he had for his new family, when he — the Great Captain of the Numenorean Mariners, had locked away his sea-longings and desires for new endeavours, then Erendis was happy!
Deceit again we witness even in this quiet peaceful picture of a family life! For Erendis was deceiving again — deceiving herself and deceiving Aldarion! Because in fact, she only pretended to be happy and only pretended to believe she had won the battle with the sea! But she made a fatal aldaripn Erendis often spoke to Aldarion about his former voyages and about his former activities….
I can understand her!
Yet, on the other hand, even the slightest thought that he might turn his mind again towards the sea terrified her so greatly! And what did she do? Had she tried to give Aldarion freedom? She knew in her heart that the sea still got hold over him but she hid again those fears in the deepest corners of her mind and rejecting reality, she pretended to live the life of a happy wife of a happy husband.
Now he was the Aldarion she wanted! Yet, she kept torturing his soul with conversations about the Aldarion from before! What did she expect then?! How long did she believe to have him on a leash?!
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Again she failed to face reality! Does not life teach, I wonder?!!! Probably with Erendis it was not so! Even if I stated at the end of my previous post that egoism is ruinous I can wholeheartedly agree with you when you say that pride is ruinous too.
What however we find present in the character of Erendis is a powerful combination of both — pride AND egoism! A combination that is strong enough to kill any decent intentions and or feelings as pure love can be!
Pride is often a comfortable shelter for those who fail to face the real world! And this is what had befallen on Erendis!
She failed to accept truths and chose to live in a world of her own, a world where she was to set the rules…. But that was not the real world! In fact, it anv important to pay attention to the interpretation of the word pride itself!
Is it really pride what Erendis had and demonstrated? I would say — no! Pride is a noble quality of a human being. And what Erendis showed was precisely haughtiness that often took the ugly erenris of arrogance! Aldarion was proud, too! His pride was strong, too! So, whose pride is then worth admiring and whose — to be despised… or pitied? Counsels In your analyses, my fair opponent, you often blame Aldarion for not taking counsels from anyone. Aldariion — look at p.
Aldarion did not take counsels from his father — true.
This, together with his individual qualities provides all the logic of him being reluctant to take counsels from his mother or even from the King — his father. Finally, let me ask you — Did Erendis aldariob counsels? How did she react to the counsels of her aldwrion her mother in particular or from the Queen, or from the King…? BelegApr 17, She revealed her mind and intentions to him completely. LhunithilielApr 19,